July 9, 2008

Gosh, How Many Diggs Does It Take To Get To The Home Page, Anyway?

Michael Arrington

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Back in June 2005 when I first wrote about Digg (six days after starting TechCrunch), it took just 15 diggs and a story was automatically sent to the home page of the then small and innocent site (there are lots of old screen shots of Digg in that post). Today it takes an average of 150 or so to get to the Digg home page, although that varies considerably based on the user who submitted the story and the domain name being pointed to.

But tonight some Digg users noticed something a little strange. This story had 936 votes 16.5 hours after it was originally submitted. That’s way beyond what’s normall needed to get on the home page. The next most popular upcoming story in its category had just 178 votes.

If a lot of users vote to bury a story it takes more votes to get to the home page of Digg. But those stories that get a lot of buries tend to be taken off of the upcoming section. In this case, that didn’t happen, and the story just continued to get a ton of votes by users, but was never promoted to the home page (from a brief perusal of the destination story, it seems that this is a story that should have been buried quickly). Perhaps the story just tread a fine statistical line between being promoted and buried, and went on collecting votes until Digg could figure out what to do with it.

So what’s the point? It’s clear Digg is continuing to struggle with vote gaming and trying to maintain their model of letting their users decide what news makes it to the top of the pile. As they add more hurdles and filters, the main side effect seems to be a delay in promoting hot news quickly. It also shows that even a thousand people working together can’t necessarily get a story to the top of Digg. Which is a good thing, I guess.

There are persistent rumors that Digg now employs editors to review upcoming stories before they are promoted, to increase quality. There’s certainly nothing wrong with that, but it does tend to undermine the theory that the crowd can make better decisions on what constitutes “news” than a single human being using common sense and their best judgment. Digg, for their part, deny that editors are involved in story selection.

Digg may ultimately prove to be a great business model for its founders and investors. But the news revolution that it appeared to be be vanguarding may eventually fizzle out. As, perhaps, will users if they ultimately discover they aren’t, in fact, in charge.

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  1. Lee

    clearly a reaction by Arrington to this post : http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/val.....-digg-army

  2. See-ming Lee

    Surely folks at Digg are looking beyond the volume of stories that are dugg and have considered other variables, such as the users who are digging the story, together with the source from which the Diggs are coming from. View count, or in this case, fave count, should not be the only factor that makes up a story’s ranking.

  3. Josh Chandler

    This is really bad to see that Digg may potentially be using editors, the sheer wealth of content may be the case. But Digg isn’t empowering its users any more even beyond this rumour. This whole idea of Recommendations in my opinion is a way for Digg to keep the user more focussed on a small area rather then the rest of the site, that way it may been seen that the system may work more uniquely to promote the story to the homepage depending on the unique Digg profile ie individual users see different Top stories on the homepage.

  4. Justin Cunningham

    Perhaps digg has finally realized that their extreme political content is starting to chase away long time users. I remember when digg was a tech site, and it wasn’t recently.

  5. Prashant

    Digg algorithms are really a game for the so called “Power diggers” to manipulate the social bookmarking concept.Such things will keep on happening

  6. Chev

    The worst thing that ever happened to Digg was the “shout” system. This allows a whole new level of “shout spammers” to simply shout stories to all of their friends (some people have over 1000). It takes away from the value of the story and makes it about the number of the friends.

  7. Mustafa

    936 votes? DIGG this!

  8. Ashley

    Arrington, do you really think the algorithm is simple enough to put stuff on the home page just because it has a lot of diggs?

    If a story is getting equal amounts of buries as diggs it will never get on the home page. Also there are only a certain amount of home page slots a day, if other things are more popular (read: popular != digg count), then it will take priority.

  9. AdvertiseSpace

    Well they’ve really never worked too hard to control the gaming aspect of the site, after all you can still digg a story that you have not only never read, but that you haven’t even clicked through to the story. Pretty easy system to game…

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