What Can You Learn from the 4-Hour Workweek?

by Mark Suster on January 10, 2010

the-4-hour-workweekA couple of years ago I read the popular book, “The Four Hour Workweek” by Tim Ferriss.  It was recommended to me by my friend, Net Jacobsson, who was trying to do some basic Life Hacking.  If you’re not familiar with the term it’s basically trying to help all of us who are deluged with technology to find ways to cope with the masses of information without having it ruin our lives.

Let me start by saying I’m a huge business book cynic.  I think too many books are written by charlatans and have too much management jargon / double speak that I can’t stand.  So I don’t read too many of them.  You can imagine my reluctance to read a book with a title full of such bluster.  But Net had told me that he picked up some valuable lessons from the book, so I thought, “WTF? Can’t hurt.”

I’m sure many people have many take-aways (positive and negative) from the book.  But on balance for me the positive messages far outweighed the negative ones.  I didn’t go back and re-read the book or double check my exact language but the thoughts below are directionally correct (the fact that I remember anything a few years later from a business book is already a huge positive sign).

My 2 biggest positives:

1. The Deferred Life (DL) Plan - This point alone makes the book worth reading.   The concept is that in the “information era” the overwhelming majority of employees in the world have meaningless jobs pushing papers from one side of their desk to the other side from 9am to 5pm and really don’t have much of an impact on anything.  The problem is that most people in this situation know they are stuck in the position and never try to change or to do anything about it.

In America being in this type of job means that you get 2 (maybe 3) weeks of vacation per year.  So people diligently put in their hours every year, brag about how little vacation they’ve taken and try to save up for 45 years so that one day in their late 60’s (or in today’s era 70’s) they can do what they’ve always dreamed of.  They can travel the world, take classes in interesting subjects, spend time with loved ones or start new hobbies.  Of course when they get there those individuals are no longer young and after years of mental and physical atrophy they lack the ambitions to get these things done.

Tim Ferriss’ assertion is that you should try to pursue an entrepreneurial job where you can take control of your life and your hours.  You should make a list of the ambitions that you have in life and accomplish many of those things now.  Want to spend a year or more in Argentina?  Andrew Warner from Mixergy is doing it.  He’s not on the Deferred Life plan.

With the exception of rare circumstances most people could do this if they chose to.  I’m not saying there would be zero sacrifice but if it’s your dream what are you waiting for?  Want to take a year pursuing your dream to write a screenplay, travel through Asia, run a triathlon or start your own fashion line?  If not now, then when?

Of course the 4-hour work week and DL plan is a gross over generalization and meant to be shocking.  So in that context let me use it.  I often encourage people to pursue their entrepreneurial dreams.  I wrote a blog post related to this called Is it Time to Earn or to Learn? If you don’t have entrepreneurial dreams no problem.  But if you do and if you sit on the sidelines waiting for the day when the circumstances are right for you to start a company you never will.  You’re on the DS (deferred startup) plan.

How I Avoided the Deferred Life Plan – And Why it Means So Much to Me

I worked for a large multinational for nearly a decade.  I learned much and had great experiences.  I used it as my “live now” vehicle.  After 3.5 years in LA (early 90’s) many of my friends left to start companies in Silicon Valley.  We were high tech at the very start of the boom.  I chose a different path.  I pushed for Accenture to transfer me to Europe.

It took more than a year to make this happen (I’ll cover how I did this in a different post) but January 2nd, 1995 I flew to France for 2 years and didn’t move back to the US for 11 years.  During this period of time I found ways to get my firm to staff me in Italy, France, Hungary, Switzerland, Belgium, Spain and the UK.  I got my firm to pay for 50% of my MBA and I did the international program at the University of Chicago.  Our European campus was in Barcelona where I rented a villa with 5 buddies.  I spent 8 weeks there per year as well as time in Chicago.  I did all of this while I had an income.

In early 1999 I made the decision to fulfill my lifelong dream to live and work in Japan.  I will also cover how I accomplished this in a separate post but in early 1999 I arrived in Tokyo for the first time.  I spent 6 months there (actually, I commuted between London and Tokyo 6 times in those 6 months).  I ran a team of 14 people (12 Japanese, 1 German and 1 Turk … both of whom were fluent in Japanese) who produced an Internet strategy for the board of Sony.  I got to experience much of the local culture and customs.  It was not a touristy experience.

My big push to avoid the Deferred Life plan came from a bad experience at my first employer.  My first corporate job was at First Interstate Bank where I worked in Corporate Finance.  My boss and my boss’s boss made me all sorts of promises about how quickly I’d be promoted.  I’m sure they meant it.  I worked late hours but didn’t care because I was young.  But I was a bit depressed to see my boss’s boss there late every night.  He had 2 kids and seemed to stay late for mostly political reasons (or maybe he enjoyed it more than he enjoyed being home?).  His boss worked too much too.  We all did until the S&L crisis hit and I was laid off.  So was my boss.  And my boss’s boss.   And his boss.  And his boss.  Our bank was gutted.

I was 22 and unemployed.  It was the best thing that ever happened to me.  I had a nice severance check and secured a job with Andersen Consulting very quickly.  And it taught me at 22 to be my own man.  Large corporations can be soulless.  They are necessary and do much good but they do what they have to to evolve and survive.   You may be a ‘favored child’ now but when circumstances change radically, business is business.  And while I bounced back very easily, many of the bank elders did not.

I swore never to let that happen to me.  A rolling stone gathers no moss.  I wanted to be that guy who was always morphing.  Always developing.  Seeing new places, learning new things.  Always on take off, never at cruising altitude.  Not on the deferred life plan.  And so it was that I pushed to get jobs in LA, Miami, Rome, Barcelona, the South of France, London and Tokyo.

2. Getting Your Work Schedule on Your Terms – Many people in America sit at their desk much of the day and have email open.  When a new email comes in you see the little pop-up in the bottom right-hand corner of your screen and like Pavlov’s dog you feel an adrenaline rush and need to read that email.

We have become a reactive society where we feel beholden to those that want to contact us.  We owe them all something.  I am like this, too.  I feel guilt and stress when I don’t respond to people that reach out to me.  And from email we added IM, Facebook and LinkedIn where people contact us.  And, of course, now Twitter.

The 4 Hour Workweek sets out an extreme view of email and similar communications but it is directionally correct.  He says not to leave your email box opened all day and I totally agree with this one.  If you sit on your email all day you’re reacting to somebody else’s input rather than proactively getting your work done.  Tim recommends that you check email initially twice / day – at 11am and at the end of the day (if I remember correctly).  He doesn’t think you should check email first thing in the morning because you should start your day by getting the stuff done that is on YOUR important list, not somebody else’s.  He then goes on to recommend that you do email just once / week.  Yeah, right!

I wish I were good in the email category.  I feel the need to check first thing in the morning.  But then I tend to stay off email throughout the day as much as possible.  I check it when I’m between meetings or when I out and about because I can quickly read it on my Blackberry.  I try to do email at the end of each day but with so many evening obligations I find this hard.  Obviously if you’re in a customer support role, a sales role or a customer service industry this can be impossible.

Where I’m more disciplined is on Twitter.  I don’t leave Tweetdeck or Seesmic apps open during the day.  These are great products but if you have them open all day and see the pop ups telling you, “You’ve Got Tweets,” then you’re sucked in.  So my Twitter pattern is to check in the AM, check between meetings for 5 minutes max and check in the PM.  And, of course, I check incessantly when I travel, am waiting for a meeting or am sitting in a conference.  Blackberry satisfies this addiction.

My 2 biggest negatives about the book:

1. Not everybody is geared up to be an entrepreneur – Tim Ferriss is obviously a very talented individual.  I believe that he takes for granted that everybody can start their own company and run it a few hours / week and earn a decent living.  I think the overwhelming majority of people would not be good at running their own small businesses (but that doesn’t mean they need to work in mindless jobs or be on the Deferred Life plan).

When I counsel people on whether they should make the leap to running their own company I always give the honest truth that being an entrepreneur is hard, stressful, time consuming and a low-probability of making millions.  It’s not for most.  But if the person that I’m talking with seems unphased by this and has the passion to try then I become unbearable in preaching from my soap box how they should stop sitting on the sidelines.  I just don’t believe in coaxing somebody who may not have the right constitution or economic circumstance.   To me the book glossed over this.  You should buy it and read it anyways.

2. Four hours is unrealistic – OK, so if he called the book the 34-hour workweek I guess he wouldn’t have sold too many copies.  I guess the 70-Hour Workweek defeats the point of the book.  Let me assume that Tim Ferriss really only works 4 hours / week.  Then he’s the only person not born into wealth or not in semi-retirement that I believe can do this.  It’s just not realistic.  I believe you can choose not to over work, but 4 hours?  Meh.

My advice.  Whatever you decide to do about your career, find the little things to take you off the DL list.  If you always planned to study a second language – START!  If you have kids make sure you find ways to occasionally drive them to school or turn up at their school events.  Find a way to schedule meetings on Fridays out of town so you can merge work meetings and family adventure.

If you’ve always wanted to travel find a way to make this happen through your work or find work that will enable this.   When I went it was at the end of the last big recession.  I worked long and hard to make it happen.  You CAN do it.  It may not be your exact plan.  Mine was to live in Spain but I could only make France happen.  Close enough.  If you wait for the “perfect time” you’ll never go.  Trust me.

Next post: two “4-Hour Workweek” like hacks I started in 2009 to try and take back control of my life that are saving me hours.

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  • It's pretty easy to judge Tim on his facade and self-promotion. But there's no doubt he's a very intelligent guy. And he actually comes across as a very thoughtful and methodical individual. Mark, I think this idea of avoiding the DL is taking off in other guises too (see Andrew's interview on Mixergy with Kareem).
  • I personally don't judge him. I think the book is amazing and his messages are great. I hope I didn't come across like I was judging him. In fact, because the title has such hubris I felt the need to emphasize that it is a REAL book that should be read by all (with some doses of cynicism for his extreme-ness).
  • No, not at all Mark; it was a blanket statement. Your post was definitely more complimentary than anything else. It chronicled how many of us were introduced to Tim: read book title, roll eyes, give him a chance, suddenly impressed.
  • After seeing Tim speak at RailsConf, it really turned me off to him (he basically rambled about nothing for an hour) and I ended up never reading the book. However, others I know have read the book and came away with the same basic messages Mark has laid out.

    After interning at Boeing for 3 years during summer breaks from school, I decided I didn't want to end up like all my co-workers and bailed... now living the dream on my terms!!
  • Hate to say it but I have a good friend at Boeing. I hope he's not reading this (or maybe he should?) but I want him to bail out. He's been there for years. His boss is so old school. He's commuting more than 1 hour each way because they won't allow remote working. It's a great company but as some point you gotta fly the coop. Sounds like you got out early.
  • christian
    What about this method?

    http://www.ted.com/talks/stefan_sagmeister_the_...

    7 years of continous work and 1 year off to refresh your creativity.

    Smart.

    happy to hear you enjoyed barcelona. the city is great.
  • 7 years on, 1 year off sounds like an awesome idea. So are sabbaticals. Anything to avoid the DL list. re: Barcelona - one of my favorite cities in the world.
  • First - Mark, I hope you have some plans to write a book at some point! Please and thank you in advance.

    The four hour part was what always bothered me about Tim's book, but as you pointed out, it's primarily branding. Tim doesn't work four hours, nor do any other fantastically successful people.

    The other challenge with four hours, is I would go into a deep depression if i could only work four hours a week. My business is my passion, my hobby and my career rolled into one. I WANT to be working into the late hours of the night. I want to clock 80 hours of moving the business forward each week, and I want my team to have the same drive. If I could really do it in four hours a week, I'd find 20 more businesses to start. I need it.

    The book has an awful lot of wisdom-in-hind-sight, but it was still a great read and I've kept many of the lessons. At this point in my life, building something successful is as much fun as learning to Salsa or Travel or Kickbox, but like any book you can read between the lines and pull out what's applicable.

    So yeah - write a book already!

    Justyn
  • When you love your work, it's hardly work anymore. Thus, you can do it as much as you want.

    That's part of it too, I suppose - the idea that "work" isn't "living." Your work shouldn't just be a means to an end...
  • Yes, but many people are "all business" for too long and miss out on other important parts of life including family, health and other pursuits. If you haven't read, "7 Habits of Highly Effective People" you should. Best business / life book I ever read.
  • We may be fooling ourselves, but many of us convince ourselves we're kicking ass now so we can have more of the other pleasures in a few years (but still many years ahead of retirement age). I think in practice that time often never comes. Something we (I) need to stay conscious of for sure. It's just so damn fun right now!

    Another reason Tim's ideas of weaving vacation into your routine more is something to shoot for.
  • Janet Bowman
    Uh, just wondering, Justyn...do you happen to have a family that you might want to devote a couple of hours a week to?
  • Janet - As you can tell from my comments, I'm still young and without many family comittments :) However I wouldn't be surprised if my girlfriend paid you to say that! Ha. Kidding of course, but there is some semblance of balance in my routine.
  • I read somewhere a blog post titled "I want to start my company but my wife won't let me", or sort of. And believe me, it's often so!
    The post ends suggesting a foot massage ...
  • Here's another thought re Deferred Life Plan: do people actually know what they want to do? Sometimes I get the feeling that most people don't have much of a 'Life Plan' at all, but rather meander aimlessly through life, waiting for retirement, and then get bored when they finally do retire. I know many people like this.

    My experience is that way too many people end up like this, and it's unbearable/frustrating to me if it's someone close to me because I couldn't imagine living like that. Am I wrong?
  • Unfortunately, you're right. If anyone's reading this and doesn't have a list of 5-10 big dreams in life it's time to get out / sharpen the pencil.
  • As cliche as it sounds, you are in control of your life and it is what you make of it. You and Ferris nailed it, and I'm following a similar path.

    Similarly, I had a friend trying to make a life decision post-graduation. My advice: "Do what you gotta do to feel alive."
  • Yes, "feeling alive" is important and it involves taking risks. That's the exhilaration called "life." I'm not an excessive risk taker (I have two little boys) but a life with no risk is a life not lived.
  • Risk is all relative. I don't consider entrepreneurship risky, but I don't
    have kids (yet) and it's not risky in relation to the physical risks I like
    to take - surfing, scubadiving, snowboarding etc. To some, those activities
    are crazy, to base-jumpers, they're completely tame...

    Regardless of the level of risk, an innate quality of survivors is their
    attitude - acknowledging risk while caring little about it:

    "Good survivors...always consider the bleak side of things, too. They plan
    for them and have an earnest hope that they will manage. But they do not
    care overly much that they might not. They accept that to succumb is always
    a possibility and is ultimately their fate. They know safety is an illusion
    and being obsessed with safety is a sickness. They have a frank
    relationship with risk, which is the essence of life." from Deep Survival
    (a recommended read from yours truly).
  • I didn't mean startup risk. I meant that I don't skydive, ride motorcycles or similar stuff that others enjoy (not that I ever did either of these ;-) But I try to dial back physical risks 20% where I can.
  • Yeah, I thought that's what you meant. Still, it's all one and the same.

    Risks - physical, mental, financial, social - are all around us and if none
    of us ever took a chance, on anything, we would be stuck in a Stone Age
    version of Groundhog Day.

    Another example from Deep Survival for you - re: The *Columbia* space
    shuttle accident.
    “Every precaution and material science known to man has been applied to the
    problem of making the thermal protection system work. It’s a known risk…
    But the odds against it [failing] are pretty good, especially when compared
    to the rewards of being an astronaut, so they’re willing to take the chance.
    In fact, they FIGHT for it… as would a lot of us. But getting the public to
    buy this is a lot tougher, especially a public that expects every risk in
    their lives to be mitigatable to zero. It will be interesting to see if NASA
    tries to take on this challenge, explaining to the public that doing bold
    things isn’t about engineering risk to zero. Shit happens, and if we just
    want to restrict ourselves to things where shit can’t happen… we’re not
    going to do anything very interesting.”
  • Aviah Laor
    Absolutely. Where there is a choice, there is uncertainty, and thus by definition risk. Regarding the web, new tools significantly shorten time to market, lowering the risk, so it's possible to try. However, on the other side of the "entrepreneurship pitching", how much does the funding industry is open to new comers? first timers? people who start-up for the first time after 35 (or god forbid 40)? people coming from other domains, without prior network to VCs/tech angles? That is still in doubt.
  • Unfortunately, Aviah, the venture industry is not open enough to people with non-traditional backgrounds, experiences or ages. I don't necessarily see this changing as an industry.
  • I'm really glad you wrote about this, Mark. I was so put off by the title of the book I never read it. Now that I've seen your article I'll just assume it was Tim's Marketing/PR person who came up with the title. The kind of person who brainstorms book titles like Lose 100 Pounds Eating Steak & Ice Cream! Now I will definitely read it.

    > If anyone's reading this and doesn't have a list of 5-10 big dreams in life it's time to get out / sharpen the pencil.

    Er ... um ... can I use a gmail Task list?

    Totally agree about "masking interrupts" periodically to get work done. And the Pavlov image is perfect. Those pop-ups telling you every couple minutes of new email are just noise--stop salivating and turn them off! (But even worse are the IM status updates. My favorite was the creaking / slamming door sound effects MS Messenger had. It was like a freakin' haunted house.) How many of us have a habit of filling "free time" this way? Well, I do anyway. Probably a bad idea.

    @reecepacheco, I agree, that's the premise behind Csikszentmihalyi's [http://www.amazon.com/Flow-Classic-Work-Achieve-Happiness/dp/0712657592/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1263177989&sr=8-2 Flow]. That's a fascinating take.
  • Hey, Colin. Yes, the biggest problem is the title. But some hubris does slip into the book so beware. But as I said, the great messages far outweigh the badness.

    re: IM - totally agree. I shut off all alerts. And sometimes I close my email to avoid popups. When I go out I turn my Blackberry over so I won't see the blinking light. If I really want to be "present" with my company I sometimes even leave it in the car (to avoid temptation!).

    re: "masking interrupts" - spoken like a CTO ;-)
  • Great post; found it really enjoyable to read. I tend to agree with all of your points you've made - especially regarding the 4 hour week. In fact while I personally don't work a "full" work week - I enjoy what I do so I try to make the most of the hours I do put into it.

    Looking forward to hearing more about your story!
  • Thanks. Sounds like you already have a good work / life balance. Congrats.
  • Mark, I have not read Tim's book yet, though it has been recommended by several friends. Based on your post, I guess he stresses (1) setting objectives and planning, and (2) not over-working. The rest - including 4 hour work week and checking email once a week - are pure sales gimmicks. It is no different than '30 day weight loss program without exercise and diet'. Also, focused, single tasking is not always feasible for entrepreneurs associated with tech start ups, for example. Probably large company CXOs and executives could practice some of these as they have robust support systems and personnel.

    I agree 100% with your take that not everyone can be an entrepreneur. I closely follow the internet marketing community; they say that "every one can do it; become millionaires overnight". We all know how many people loose their shirts in internet marketing!

    Keep up the good work!
    Regards,
    Paddu
  • Thanks, Paddu. There are a number of other good ideas in the book so still probably worth reading. Great analogy with the 30-day weight loss.
  • Have to agree with Rajat.
  • Looking forward to the summary of your experiments, Mark. It's always nice to be able to compare notes with someone else. I hope you start a trend.

    The book lends itself to anyone...but it lends itself much better to someone juggling a ridiculous amount. Not that entrepreneurs have much time to read, but I'd say that in the early days, every startup CEO should read this. Preferably, long, long before launch.

    Just imagine, Mark, if you had this book back during your startup days. Heck, you could've started three companies at once.
  • Ha. The book did make me think a lot about having "side" businesses. Maybe some day.
  • Great post Mark. I just skimmed the updated edition of Tim's book a few weeks back and found it pretty insightful. For those who haven't read it yet, take the title of the book with a grain of salt...it's meant to be provocative and help sell millions of copies (Tim is certainly skilled at self-promotion). "Join the new rich" tagline on the cover is classic...you know Tim did some A/B testing on that one.

    One key takeaway is learning to eliminate things that just don't matter (and "outsource" low value tasks) while focusing on the small percentage of things that matter a lot. This theme is obviously not new, but Tim does a great job applying it to the practical issues of making a living and, more importantly, making the most out of your limited time on earth.

    There's merit to minimalism, in the sense of saying no to things that don't matter. Take possessions for example. I went surfing this summer in South America for 3 months and lived out of a backpack on $20/day. One of the best things I've ever done. I got home and realized I don't need 80% of the crap I own...and I didn't own much before the trip. Ditching all the junk you don't really use is a great feeling.

    Keep up the great work! Love the blog.
  • Thanks, Ben. I'm a big believer in two things you mention:
    1. Minimalism (however that applies to each person's life)
    2. Cutting out low value tasks. Here I sometimes fall short.
  • Hey Mark, great insight. While I agree with most of the points you made, I really take issue with the minimalist approach to e-mail. One of the most useful things I learned from my previous employer (a large corporation) is in the value of constant communication.

    Doing work based on consensus rather than unilateral activity, and constantly discussing your work with others is incredibly valuable in making you more efficient in your own work and ensuring you're not doing the wrong thing. Because of my experience there I really value the collective intelligence of a smart group.

    This doesn't mean that I was looking at a blackberry in the middle of the night or anything - in fact I refused to check my email when I wasn't specifically spending time doing "work," but when I was, you bet I was looking at my email every ten minutes.
  • I believe in consensus building. At Accenture one of the most valuable tools they used when we were young programmers were "point sheets." They taught us to write down questions when they came up and batch them together in point sheets. The logic was 1) you don't ruin the productivity of your supervisor or teammates and 2) questions have a way of sorting themselves out when you wait.

    I personally believe that in the interconnected, always on world that is 2010 people emphasize communicating too frequently over the productivity of others.
  • dillon5
    I think the best message from the book and from your comments is not to put life on hold. I have worked at corporations where there were two camps in cubeville - lifers and passing through. The thought of having to wait 30 plus years to pursue my dream of starting a business was inconceivable. You made a good point, not everyone is cut out to be an entrepreneur and it is not glamorous with VC's knocking at your door.
  • I think 100 years ago the opportunities were more difficult to escape the corporate ladder. Today it's the norm. It's great to get trained but for many they stay too long. Yes, that is the most important take-away for me. Live your life now.
  • dillon5
    The best message from the book and your post is to not put life on hold. I have worked for large corporations and there were always two groups in cubeville - lifers and passing through. The though of waiting 30 plus years to pursue my goal of starting a business, learning new subjects and exploring new places was inconceivable.
  • My biggest worry about coming to Buenos Aires is that I'd be disconnected from the world, but I'm finding that I'm getting so much more done here in Argentina than I got in the US because all the distractions are gone.

    Plus its fun. Simple trips to the supermarket or rides on the subway are new experiences.
  • I just spent close to 3 months working from Peru... it was amazing! Since everyone in my company works remotely anyway it wasn't really any different than being in the States.
  • re: trips to the supermarket. That is the bliss that is accepting living outside of your normal life's routines. It's the small things - the journey, not the destination (to borrow from Coelho's "The Alchemist"). I remember my first supermarket experience in France. The foods were different, the experience was different. Lunch where it was assumed that I would have a glass of wine. I remember my first meeting in Italy where we showed up but everybody was at the cafe next door having THREE! espresso's with tons of sugar and starting the meeting 1 hour late because ... there was no because. I remember my first karaoke night in Tokyo, my first rugby match in England and on and on. That's why Tim Ferriss's book resonated so much with me and why I was so pleased for you that you moved to Argentina. It's not living on the DL plan.
  • Mark thanks for saving me the time reading it.

    Definitely not everyone's dream needs to be a startup; could be birdwatching or whatever. The point is don't defer it. You may get hit by the bus waiting for the perfect time.

    As a working mom I'd say that every minute away from my kids better be worth it. That's my litmus test. So either it's something that's kick ass in its own right and consuming (another "baby")....OR something that's only OK in interest level, but allows me to add value to the biz and keep my skills up while paying what I need, with the flexibility to nurture my kids.

    I prefer the former, but if it is absent, will accept the latter.

    Tania and I actually had a good convo on this the other day.
  • Yes, as I'm sure Tania must have mentioned we are big believers in "Carpe Diem" in the Suster household. That, and not letting the little things get to you. One of my favorite clips from childhood that we often cite is "It just doesn't matter," which is already planned as a future post. But the clip is a much watch (if and only if you saw this as a child ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3S_k1dRbXY
  • OK, hysterical. Thanks for (re-)sharing. We used to say it all the time! Even funnier now than when I was nine watching it on my friend's Betamax....particularly the Soviet Union and East/West Germany part. Oh, and the hot girls.

    The retro & feel look has me looking forward to this trailer I just saw: http://www.imdb.com/video/imdb/vi1318257689/

    Looking forward to the post, when it happens.
  • I love the top level message. But when I started reading the book (and I am a 2x startup entrepreneur) I actually had a visceral, anxiety producing reaction because I know what it takes to build a real business, and like Mark, I also know that most people aren't wired to be entrepreneurs. Add the 4-hour a week nonsense to the mix, and I set the book down a 1/3 of the way through.

    With all of that said, I appreciate this post because people need to be reminded that a life deferred often ends in a sad epitaph.
  • Great post Mark! I was one of those people who didn't read the book when it was released because a) I was turned off by the title, and b) I didn't want to be seduced by all the hype and attention. Meanwhile, I preach things like time and location independence and other themes from the book, so I may have to give it a chance after all and see what tips I can glean and develop an opinion on it. Thanks for writing on this topic and sharing your experiences and impressions from the book. A lot of what you said resonates with me personally.

    Regards,
    Adam
  • thanks for the feedback. Luckily I read the book before it was a hit and on the personal recommendation from Net so I powered through it. Otherwise I would never have bought it. It was worthwhile if you can bight your lips during the more blustery bits.
  • Mark,

    I was actually fired, also at age 22, from my first job as a fund accountant at the end of 2008. It was the happiest day of my life as well. I hated the job and made a complete departure from the corporate world. It took me two months but I eventually found a very low paying job at a start up. I didn't care about the pay because I was actually making an impact.

    After about 7 months I got on the DJ (deferred job) plan and drove across the country from Boston to San Diego for 3 weeks this past November. My boss was pissed and didn't guarantee me my job when I got back. I knew if I didn't go then I would be a slave to the job so the decision was easy.

    The decision was even easier to make because I had another job lined up at another start up with a better group of people. I really enjoyed relating to your first job experience. I actually turned 24 today and I've been in start up land for just over a year now, still trying to get some traction. Wish me luck.

    Best,

    Benjamin Stein

    Research 2.0
  • Good luck! Yes, I was laid off from my first job at your age, too. I took away more positives than negatives from the experience.
  • Agreed! I was part of the WaMu debacle, working in M&A and putting in 20+ hour days to try and get a deal done at the end. Then at 25, I was one of the first ones shown the door. Talk about working yourself out of a job. But looking back, that experience has been one of the highlights of my career and gave me the exposure and perspective I needed to take my career and life in a different direction...my own.

    Thanks for sharing Ben - good luck!
  • jimfmunro
    Another argument against the deferred life plan was spelled out pretty clearly by Tim referring to a friend who got cancer at a very young age -- there's no guarantee you'll even exist long enough to get to live the years you've "earned". That was incentive enough for me.

    Agreed that the book seems to gloss over how much hard work it is to get to the point of four hours a week. But overall this book can be inspiring, if used wisely. :)

    It seems like the four hour part of the title maybe isn't how much you work a week, but is the time you should limit yourself to doing the non-fun parts of your consciously chosen career, answer email, calls, meetings -- work. Still working on getting there.
  • I have a very personal family situation in this category and it makes me all the sadder because you can't implore people to Carpe Diem. They either choose to or choose not to. My mom always did and I think that rubbed off on me.
  • Asta Ratliff
    Mark, thank you for this great overview. I have not read the book but I sure have heard about it. And now after reading you point of view about this, I am very curious to actually read it for myself. Thanks for sharing your life experiences. I agree about importance of the DL - life is short and there always will be stuff to do, chores to finish and errands to run. If we really want to do something, we should definitely do it now.
  • Worth reading. Just don't be surprised if some bits frustrate you. But the overall take away I feel will be worth it. I hope so. Enjoy.
  • I learnt how to set up a call center in the Philippines, notably CatchFriday that would rival Getfriday and Asksunday. I also learned how to write a book, a best seller at that.
  • Mark, guess my surprise when checking out your blog today - thanks for the mention :). Happy that you read the book. Don't remember if I told you then, but I too was put off by the overly "happy camper" vibe that you get from the book. Clearly some of Tim's advice does not work for most people with family (I have 3 small kids) and special circumstances. However, the book is thought provoking, inspiring & certainly played a role on how I choose to do some of my work. Still, the overly happy trouble free dude attitude makes me sick sometimes ;). Especially the self-centered & self indulging parts that shines through on Tim's blog.
  • Yes, agreed. Hope I didn't imply to anybody that Net took the book "hook, line and sinker!" But some of the more powerful stuff you were experimenting with included offshoring personal admin / research. And that was initially what got me excited to learn more.
  • hhorner
    I've read tons and tons of these business books and, although I always take something from them, I agree that they are often filled with a lot of jargon and muddled advice. Your blog is always concise and direct to the point. I have referred many friends to your blog and recently reached out to a former professor to encourage him to reference it in his Venture Initiation class. Thanks for the great advice and clear direction.
  • Thank you, Hope. I definitely try to steer toward the practical versus the theoretical.
  • I might be an example of a different type of entrepreneurial career: using a decade in big corporate enterprises to create a unique professional skill/personal micro brand, marketed via the Internet. Really interesting work, total control of your life, and an ability to take on the world's best in your specific niche.

    In the next decade, I expect more and more specialized corporate functions to go to experienced freelancers, and I am not talking about commodity white collar services going off shore to low-wage countries.

    Obviously, this model has scalability issues and your enterprise is unlikely to turn into the next Google.
  • Yes, but the point of the 4-Hour Workweek is EXACTLY your decision. It's not telling people to build the next Google but to find a way to leverage your skills to build a business where you control outcomes and your life versus "working for the man." Seems your skills at McKinsey are very relevant to people who don't have them and you can market them on a global basis while allowing you to live in Israel and not spend your entire life on an airplane and in hotels working on someone else's strategy deck. No?
  • Pretty much correct.
  • Mark, Thanks for your personal experience.

    I had a similar liberating experience. After working for one year on my first job I was laid off. Realizing that I can sustain myself and get another job was so valuable for the rest of my career. It allowed me to travel around the world and make the decision to do an MBA in Barcelona's ESADE Business School. It was one of the best experiences of my life.

    The DL plan is an important lesson that reminds us to never loose the feeling of wonder that all of us used to have when children. Life is exciting, the world is amazing, We can live more of it as long as we step out of our comfort zone.

    -Camilo
  • I love your posts, Mark. Cheers.
  • I read that book randomly in a bookstore one day between some classes. I realized that fundamentally, it was about keeping your deck of cards that is dealt to you at life in order. Your first battle, and your last battle is always with yourself.

    It's one of those reasons I (usually) carry around a small notebook with me for random ideas about things I want to do. Some are banal. Some sound incredible. It seems that though, the more that I write them down, the more likely I will do the things I want and get direction to do them, slowly, over time.

    That seems to be the main message to me, or at least it was at the time...
  • I read the book and overall liked it, it's candid and passionate and the general concept is right.

    I think the 4 hours count is not totally fake. I launched an online accounting service and now I'm working 14 hours a day (most weekends included! But no kids around) ... mainly on my second startup! The accounting services take now actually a couple of hours a day on average, mostly to answer calls and mails and collect payments. (Talking about answering calls and mails, I believe my customers LOVE my real time answers. So it's customer service but it's also useful marketing.)

    I'm not doing the work myself, I've outsourced most of it except for customer contact and invoicing. I believe I view myself as an entrepreneur rather than a freelancer. And by the way, much of my working hours are really just keeping up to date with the news in the area I'm working on.

    Cheers.
  • It's true that large corporations are soulless. The "human" part of human resources is less important. The "resources" part is the more important word. All employees are resources.
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